Thursday, July 18, 2013

Big Update

Its been a long time since I have talked about our life in regards to health so here it goes!

After I got pregnant I felt like the only thing I was doing was caring for Josiah and growing a little human in my body. About halfway through my pregnancy during the winter I started having some scary episodes of nausea, anxiety, and the feeling like food was just sitting like a brick in my stomach. I thought maybe it was my gallbladder so I did a liver flush that didn't go that well. I just managed my symptoms by not eating a lot of meat in the evening, chewing gum after meals to help settle my stomach or if I needed to go somewhere and felt sick. I never did vomit the whole pregnancy (besides when Ryan and I got food poisoning from Little Caesar's pizza), but I definitely could have. It was such a relief that the day I gave birth I didn't have the nausea anymore. I feel for any expectant Mom that is going through severe morning sickness. I decided my body was done having children! Since then I've had bouts of feeling sick to my stomach, but I seem to be able to manage it (or avoid the foods that seem to cause it).

During my pregnancy I really got into studying the work of Ray Peat, PhD. I learned that getting enough sugar in the form of tropical fruit is really helpful for people who struggle with low thyroid and energy problems. It has been such a relief in my life that what I thought was an addiction to sugar was the cells in my body crying out for energy, or relief from stress hormones. I started to reverse the damage that orthorexia did to my life; the fear of 'unhealthy food'. I was able to see that my obsession was actually worsening my health. I still believe that certain foods are harmful (like vegetable oil), but the stress of avoiding it or the guilt and fear of consuming it can be worse! My mantra these days ala Matt Stone of 180degreehealth.com is 'Eat The Food'!

There is a great anti-sugar cult, with even moralistic overtones, equating sugar craving with morphine addiction. Sugar craving is usually caused by the need for sugar, generally caused by hypothyroidism. When yeasts have enough sugar, they just happily make ethanol, but when they don't have sugar, they can sink filaments into the intestine wall seeking it, and, if the person is very weak, they can even invade the bloodstream and other organs. Milk, cheese, and fruits provide a very good balance of nutrients. Fruits provide a significant amount of protein. Plain sugar is o.k. when the other nutrients are adequate. Roots, shoots, and tubers are, next to the fruits, a good carbohydrate source; potatoes are a source of good protein. Meat as the main protein can provide too much phosphorus in relation to calcium. ~Ray Peat

A daily diet that includes two quarts of milk and a quart of orange juice provides enough fructose and other sugars for general resistance to stress, but larger amounts of fruit juice, honey, or other sugars can protect against increased stress, and can reverse some of the established degenerative conditions. Refined granulated sugar is extremely pure, but it lacks all of the essential nutrients, so it should be considered as a temporary therapeutic material, or as an occasional substitute when good fruit isn't available, or when available honey is allergenic. ~Ray Peat

The polyunsaturated fatty acids, which break down into toxic fragments and free radicals and prostaglandin-like chemicals, are--along with bacterial toxins produced in the intestine--the source of the main inflammatory and degenerative problems. Sugar and the minerals in fruits are fairly effective in keeping free fatty acids from being released from our tissues, and the fats we synthesize from them are saturated, and aren't likely to be stored as excess fat, because they don't suppress metabolism (as polyunsaturated fats and some amino acids do). The minerals of fruits and milk contribute to metabolic activation, and prevention of free-radical damage. ~Ray Peat

I started this blog in the hopes of healing my gut via the GAPS diet. I think it can be a healing protocol since it does contain a lot of healing bone broths, but only if it is not low carb. There needs to be plenty of fruit, honey, dairy and especially for those with greater nutrition needs during pregnancy and lactation well cooked root veggies. Also, I've learned that probiotic supplementation is not for everyone, some people get a huge increase in endotoxin from them. Endotoxin is not something to mess around with. This is why antibiotics work so well, they decrease the burden on the liver from bacteria that produce endotoxin. This was also a good turning point in learning about the body for me, I was not afraid of killing off bacteria, in fact raw carrots which have natural antibacterial properties are really helpful. They also help sweep out excess estrogen from the intestines which can be re-absorbed putting more strain on the liver. Maybe this is why I've heard of pregnant women craving raw carrots, maybe they are protecting their unborn from endotoxin and too much estrogen.

The intestine is a potential source of reabsorbed estrogen, and a daily raw carrot (grated or shredded, with a little olive oil, vinegar, salt) helps to lower excess estrogen (and endotoxin produced by bacteria). While lowering estrogen, it is likely to lower cortisol and increase progesterone. ~Ray Peat

I look at the body more holistically these days, instead of saying, 'heal the gut,' it helps to understand what causes gut dysfunction and its not as simple as going gluten free or taking a probiotic. I will talk about this in another post. But for me I have found a sluggish digestive system or one that is leaky is because of low thyroid function. I think during my pregnancy in the deep dark depressing winter my body became very stressed. The thyroid needs light, darkness increases stress hormones which is why you need more thyroid hormone in the winter. I began taking desiccated thyroid at one grain a day several months ago. I feel like it has given me the extra boost from lack of sleep and unsaturated fats in my diet (which block thyroid hormone from getting into the cell). It has also helped depression, I have always had the tendency towards negativity and a victim mentality (because of a history of bad relationships), as if everything is going wrong at all times! But I feel like a much happier person when I get enough sugar in my diet, keeping blood sugar steady and working on my thyroid. And I am a coffee drinker, with cream and 2 FULL tablespoons of sugar!


It's important not to drink coffee on an empty stomach, it should always be with food, since it increases the metabolic rate, and can deplete glycogen stores. ~Ray Peat

I am placing an emphasis on certain B-vitamins especially now that I am eating a high carb diet, the B vitamins help our body process those sugars. Ocassionally I will make a tea out of Brewer's Yeast which is high in a lot of the B's. It can also help boost milk supply.

As for the kiddos, I really obsessed over whether eating real foods like raw milk, butter, grass fed beef, and liver (over the somewhat vegeterian and skimpy diet I had during Josiah's pregnancy) would give Adlai a better outcome or not. I think developmentally he is pretty average, he's a little monkey, started walking at 11.5 months, but he is not nearly as verbal as Josiah was (and I thought he was behind!). He also had eczema over the winter which I'm hoping doesn't come back. I think he is pretty healthy, only one cold so far at a year. He is following the 25th percentile and surprises me when he actually outgrows something! Josiah was so small at this age. I am a pretty laid back parent, but that doesn't mean my kids are going to be easy going, although Adlai is much less shy, I think it really is personality, and boys tend to be fussier and hard to manage. He is not as picky as Josiah was and has more enthusiasm around eating food, but he loves his nun nuns as well! I think he struggles with more digestive upset though because he has trouble sleeping at night and I am just really trying to make it, I will most likely try to night wean much sooner than I would like.

It is hard to talk about Josiah because I am concerned about him and looking back I really struggle because I know I couped him up in the apartment far too much for such an active little guy and probably had some post partum depression and emotional obstacles. He really thrives at our house- being able to run around outside and play in the dirt. But he has not done well with having a sibling. From the getgo he didn't know how to treat him and would try to hurt him, I couldn't (and still can't) leave them together for anything, even to go to the bathroom! I had to physically restrain Josiah far too often. For 8 months straight we were babywearing Adlai for all of his naps (otherwise he wouldn't sleep for very long), which obviously was really tough for Josiah who was used to having me all to himself, he would constantly try to sabatoge his naps and wake him up. It has been a really really tough year as far as parenting goes.

Josiah is spirited and strong willed with possible developmental delays. He obviously can understand quite a few emotions and ability to express those, and he is developing fairly well in social interactions, but he still lags behind in a lot areas. I hate to label him but some people might think he needs more discipline or be taught more manners when he acts out, or doesn't understand that what he does hurts people, or is too loud, or can't sit still at the dinner table.  We are constantly adapting or finding ways to help him cope with life's stresses and emotions that he doesn't understand. Its hard to approach discipline because usually it is the parent that needs more patience! It can be really frustrating when I try to ask him something or talk to him and he acts as if he doesn't hear a thing! 

I really want to homeschool, but I have butt heads with Josiah so much that I am concerned about my ability to regulate my own emotions and have the patience to teach him. Everything for him right now is about "I can do all by self", so if I try to show him anything he freaks out, just the other morning I was writing the letter 'A' and he almost had a meltdown because he didn't want me to write it. Same thing with chores he wants to help out with, like watering the garden, multiple times when I just needed to get it done he would have a meltdown and try to dig up the watered ground so he could do it, almost destroying the plants. I have had my most shameful parenting moments when he is like this (mostly yelling at him). I love him so much and want whats best for him, just praying I can get more sleep so my patience is better. I try to cherish the moments when he acts like any other normal 4.5 yr old and just try to do the best I can and have the tools I need to parent him when he seems out of control.

 Basically, my life is just coping with being a stay at home Mom to two very active little guys! Have to remind myself it will pass! But I'm so grateful I don't have to work for us to have everything we need, I know that's not a possibility for a lot of Moms, and I really do feel blessed.





Friday, June 29, 2012

Birth Story of Adlai James Hoxie

Born ~40 weeks 6/26/2012 at 4:45 PM 8 lbs7 oz, 21 inches

I woke up around 9am and nursed my 3 yr 5 mo old Josiah, and started feeling a bit crampy instead of the usual painless Braxton Hicks that I was getting for a few months. They started to feel like real contractions so I timed them and they were about 10-12 minutes apart. I could sense that today would be the day, and probably much faster than with Josiah. After a couple hours they became closer and stronger, and when I would nurse I had to breath through a couple! I told Ryan to come home from work around 1pm and we immediately left for the birth center so I could labor more freely there. The car ride was not fun, but it was only a 10 minute drive.

When we got there I was asked how far along I thought I was and all I could say was that I was definitely having to breath through the contractions and that they were still about 4-5 minutes apart. I got settled in the room and the midwife checked me to make sure I was actually progressing (as if I couldn't already tell!) she said I was 6cm. I knew I might have a couple hours to go but wanted to get in the tub because the contractions were pretty painful. It felt good and I definitely did not want to get out! Ryan was still keeping track of how far apart they were to see where I was at, but I thought that was pointless because I knew he was coming and that it didn't matter how far apart they were! But he was right there with me the whole time and made sure I knew I was doing a good job and that it would be over soon. They started getting really intense and I found myself moaning through most of them until I really had to give everything I had to get through them. I had a bit of back labor that I had no idea what to do about besides slouch down in the water and try to focus on getting through it. I kept thinking why is this so hard?! It was much easier for Josiah's birth.

Josiah was right there playing in the room while I was laboring, he came over a couple times and touched me with his cold hands, and said a few things to me that I can't remember. It wasn't long before I had to try bearing down while leaning over the edge of the tub. This was when I felt like I was doing a lot to bring him out and boy did it hurt! My water broke sometime during this and the nurse needed to take my temperature, which I thought was annoying and a distraction to the intensity of my labor. With another contraction and push I felt the ring of fire and the midwife told me to ease up which was so hard! Then I felt his head pop through and in one final push he was out and I reached down for him! He didn't breath immediately until we cleared some fluid and after about 10 minutes the midwife tied the cord with string and Ryan cut it. It was roughly a 7.5 hr labor with only about 4-5 contractions of pushing.


I then got out of the tub and up onto the bed and immediately felt the contraction for the placenta to come out, while the midwife gently pulled it came out, what a relief to not need any management for third stage. I also did not tear! It sure felt like it, so I was surprised but so relieved again! I then tried breastfeeding, Adlai latched on so well!! He nursed for a long time while we were there which was about 4-5 hrs. His cord looked like it was oozing a bit so we had to use the plastic clamp. He also needed his heel pricked before we left, which I wasn't too thrilled about! Especially since he had it again at his appointment a couple days later. We noticed fairly quickly that he looks different than Josiah, he has my Grandma's nose, has my long fingers, and Ryan's crooked 2nd toe! But he is beautiful in every way. Recovery for me has been very smooth, even though this time around I had some pretty bad afterbirth pains, I'll take those over everything I went through with Josiah!

Overall, I got a natural waterbirth with the care of a wonderful midwife and nurse who didn't try to intervene on anything, it was a wonderful experience!





Wednesday, July 13, 2011

7/13/2011

It has been a while since I last wrote, things have been pretty good, no we definitely have not been grain-free like I wanted, but at least I have avoided gluten even when it was extremely difficult. I do want to cut down on the amount of corn I eat. It seems like it has been a substitute. But overall I am doing pretty good. I am trying to eat as many nourishing foods as I can but I am not stressing about it because like I've said before the stress negates some of the positives from eating well.

As per a nutritionist friend it is confirmed that I do have a damaged mucosa.
If you'd like to test it yourself try this: after a meal take 4-6 tablets of 500 mg Betaine HCL and see if it causes burning within a few minutes, if it does you have damaged mucosa and/or leaky gut. Healthy people will not feel burning from this amount of acid. If you do feel burning DO NOT take HCL until the mucosa is repaired. And suspect food antigens and gut pathogens. 

So he has me taking l-glutamine about 5 grams a day in between meals, plus a support mucosa product which has: licorice root extract, slippery elm bark, milk thistle, MSM, bromelain (an enzyme found in pineapple), N-Acetyl-D-Glucosamine, hawthorne berry extract, siberian ginseng, quercetin, turmeric, and gamma oryzanol. He also wanted me to take plant-based enzymes with every cooked meal since with damaged villi it is harder to break down food. He recommended Enzymedica, I am planning on getting the digest gold in hopes it helps me deal with carbohydrates better, like lactose. He also said that zinc l-carnosine is very helpful for stomach issues, mastic gum can also be very healing. So there is light at the end of the tunnel for those who find it is too difficult to go on the GAPS diet, no I don't think taking some supplements will do magic, but I think with a damaged gut you need to support digestion as best as you can. I am still doing lots of chicken soup for the gelatin in the broth, but I'm not so sure that in and of itself will do wonders either, I have had good broths for over a year and this is when all my problems began happening, but I was also eating a lot of gluten! I think I just need to give my body time to heal.


Since I've made confessions about my sugar addiction I just want to say that sugar in and of itself is not evil! It is the body's preferred fuel source! The brain uses huge amounts of glucose. I think it is at the point that you are consuming so much that it displaces nutrients and taxes the immune system (which I think is because of the combination of gluten and sugar-think cookies). And maybe the amount I have been eating really is taxing my body and preventing me from healing, but I don't think at this point in my life I can go low-carb, high fat. I'm sorry if it sounds like I am giving excuses, but there are people who need to eat guilt-free and without abandon to heal from trying to be a healthy eating perfectionist.

Aside from the nutrition stuff, Ryan and I have decided we want to have another baby! We are hoping to try this month! I have no idea why I have such a strong desire for another child, but ever since April when I thought I might be pregnant I have wanted another child. But just yesterday when Josiah was acting like a wild animal (I gave him skittles- very bad idea) I thought why in the world do I want another?! But for some reason I feel like the next one will be easier and since I kinda know what I need to be eating to have a healthy pregnancy and to give the baby the highest amount of nutrients I feel the baby will be less fussy and more easy going, but who knows I just want to know what its like to have a laid back child. And even if he/she has some health problems despite everything we will have done I will still feel blessed. Children are a joy no matter what challenges they bring! And if all goes as planned we will try for another homebirth, which is really exciting. Last time I probably could have been much better prepared and I think I will be this time. We are timing this so that if I become pregnant in the next couple weeks the baby will be born before the whirlwind of finding a house and moving next spring. If not this month I may just wait a few more so that I'm not giving birth around the time we will move. I want this to be planned! Last pregnancy was a shock to our marriage and life and this time I want it to be joyful. That is all for now, will give an update if indeed I become pregnant!

Tuesday, June 14, 2011

Whats On My Heart

I have been humbled so much in the last year. It truly has been a journey and I feel like I have grown so much. Tonight I need to say some things that have been on my heart. Ever since I became pregnant I feel that I have had to mature very rapidly and was thrust into a world of responsibility of another human being. I took on that challenge the best I could and wanted to do everything right. Breastfeeding on demand, and exclusively for at least 7 months, cosleeping, babywearing, no vaccines, etc. This world is not perfect and I was trying to be perfect. Josiah has drained so much of my life energy over the last 28 months. I would consider him more of a high needs type of child and I wonder if it was because of my child-centered focus that caused him to be like that. I have never been strong enough to set schedules or force a bedtime. I feel I have failed in those areas. While trying to do all the ‘right’ things I forgot how important it is to set boundaries. And then when I finally get the motivation to do it I still failed! It completely breaks my heart that he has no respect for me. I know that parenthood will always be challenging, but goodness gracious I never thought it would be this challenging. Sometimes I still feel like a little girl not able to rise up to the challenge.

Aside from Motherhood, there has been an issue in other areas of my life as well. I have an obsession with health/natural living. I became so passionate about those beliefs that I pushed them on everyone around me. Even someone whom I thought was more like me in that area I pushed away- not intentionally of course because I really wanted to develop a friendship with this person. It hurts to see people running away from me!  But I could not see outside of myself at the time. I have had to grow up tremendously when it comes to friendships because I’m learning that I don’t know what it means to be a good friend to someone who may have some differences. It is heartbreaking to see that I’ve lived here for almost 3 years and have virtually no close friends. Ryan and I have isolated ourselves quite a bit, so that is partly to blame, but I have had opportunities to have good friends that have not developed. My life has revolved around me. And just so I’m not sounding totally pessimistic I will say that I know I do a lot for my family- obviously it takes quite a bit of strength to keep on breastfeeding when you are completely tired and worn out and when you’ve almost had enough pretty much everyday. A lot of people would say that should be enough reason to start weaning, but because of some of his health challenges I feel it would not be a good thing, and I truly believe I am not just doing it out of laziness or selfishness because it takes a lot out of me. But it wouldn’t be any easier trying to get him to eat enough food. I have put him on this path and I feel I must see it through to make sure he is getting enough nutrition since I cannot force him to eat foods he will not even try. Which is why I wanted him to be on the GAPS diet as well. I didn’t want to be that parent that just gives him only the foods he eats, but I’m starting to be in that position where I am giving him more fruit, popcorn, ice cream. I am still dealing with some strong food addictions and now its spilling over on to him. Those things should be treats, but sometimes I treat a large bowl of popcorn as a meal! The last post I did was out of sheer frustration that things were not working out on GAPS and so if I feel good eating fruit and ice cream then why not?

 I am so sick of being stuck in my problems. Health issues are not the end of the world-yes they require attention, but they shouldn’t be the entire focus of our life! And I have made every little health issue to be something I have to fix. But I always fail, there’s always something else to learn about our diet or about nutrition and how to solve a problem. I will always be interested in health and figuring things out, but it has taken over my life. I want to have energy and not get depressed and moody, and be able to eat all kinds of foods, but I have taken it upon myself to do everything possible to figure it out and its destroying my life! Just the stress alone could be causing the health problems! Its good that I have figured out I have food allergies and can’t eat certain things, but it has taken a lot of time and energy to get to this point and I have neglected to be the Mother, the wife, and the friend that I know I can be.

So I guess this post was more of one big confession that I have many shortcomings and feel very humbled by them all and want to be a better person- and NOT just when it comes to food since some of my issues with it could be mental/emotional. Maybe this was a step in the right direction, letting it go and moving on.

Sunday, May 29, 2011

Figuring Things Out

Since we are all on a health journey, and we can't figure everything out all at once, it can sometimes take a long time to realize something is just not working. I was trying to do low-carb and all I got was incredible cravings for things like sugar and starch, hypoglycemia, and stressed out adrenals. I gave in to those cravings and have been doing better ever since. I have even included the dreaded cane sugar at times. Popcorn probably isn't a wise choice, and I think I'm probably allergic to it, but I needed fuel! I just can't do the high fat diet, it takes a while to switch over to fat burning and if you don't want to make the switch you have to live on pounds of veggies and that is something I was not going to do. Vegetables contain anti-nutrients and polyunsaturated fatty acids that stress our body. I am still including root veggies, but have definitely not felt guilty that I don't eat a bunch of raw veggies everyday. We are not bunny rabbits! Fruit is a much better fuel source and increase metabolism which I have definitely experienced. I don't get cold hands and feet nearly as much, and I think clearly most of the time now! Josiah and I are both sleeping better, while we still have our bad days, that is to be expected when you've spent your entire life eating wrong, he just has some sleep issues that need to be worked out. Behavior is overall much better as long as I am giving him enough food. He is even eating the chicken soup! Gelatin is very anti-inflammatory, anyone who has inflammation should be taking it everyday.

I think I will continue to do GAPS in principle, but I will not follow it like a regimen anymore, everyone is different and needs different foods at different times and I think strict diets could do more harm than good. I am so glad that I have this freedom to listen to my body and give it what it needs and not feel like I'm 'feeding the bad pathogens'. That may be the case but if you give your body the right fuel it will be stronger to deal with those pathogens. I will not be calling our diet GAPS anymore because we are not sticking to it. I will continue to do nutrition research, just not on GAPS all that time. This is not meant to bash the diet at all, it does work for people, and maybe at some point we will go on intro for some more healing. I still want to be grain-free. I follow many of the principles like not eating industrially processed foods, and eating whole natural foods. But I want to nourish my body, not stress it out!

Thursday, May 26, 2011

Rough Day

Wow, so Josiah finally went down for a nap after about a 15 minute temper tantrum that escalated when I tried to remove him from the offending toy. He became uncontrollable. I hate days like this, he has done this a few other times, it really scares me, what happens when he is older? I do not think this is a discipline problem, its clearly something going on in his body. Yesterday we went to Chipotle for my Birthday, I avoided the suspected wheat, but there definitely could have been some cross-contamination and we both had corn. He was hyperactive the rest of the evening and didn't fall asleep until 10 pm despite only having two 10 minute naps (car rides).  This is so hard for me, we still bed share and nurses whenever he wants at night, and I am pretty much the sole caretaker 24/7. Ryan helps out some but he is only around a few hours a day during the week and is very tired after work. I am fine with having to take care of the parenting and housework, its just days like this that really challenge me. I can't stand it when he whines and pushes me around and is crazy. We had a bit of a break from that for a couple weeks while being wheat-free. I just can't seem to keep our diet right. 

I am also constantly concerned about his growth. Today I weighed him and while our scale is pretty iffy at times he was the same he was last month!(which was the same the month before that and the month before that.. and so on!) I am so confused. I hate comparing him to other kids his age but its hard not to when he is so far behind in not just growth but communication and verbal skills. I don't care if he has a high IQ, I don't care if he goes to Harvard or not, but I do know a child needs to be learning continually how to say words and communicate what they want and how they feel. He is always learning new words thankfully, but is still having trouble putting words together, and being able to express himself. He went through a phase last year where he would ask "whats that?" he hasn't said phrases like that in a LONG time, although he has learned some of the common ones like "all done". So I am definitely going to be working on getting him to talk especially since he still uses jargon speech a lot. That might really help him to verbalize how he feels, its hard to know when a food is making him feel bad if all i can go by is his behavior which like today could be a delayed reaction or could be the strawberries, grapefuit? I just don't know anymore.

Tuesday, May 24, 2011

Update 5/25/11

I feel like going gluten free has saved the quality of my life, no it has not saved my life- only Jesus can do that, but I now feel like I can take on the world whereas before I had debilitating fatigue, brain fog, mood swings, etc. Today I am trying really hard to be grain-free, I feel much better. Yesterday after I had a bowl of popcorn I felt sick, not stomach ache sick just tired and blah feeling. Josiah seems to be doing much better overall. He still gets hyperactive at times, but he is much more easy going. It also seems like he's growing, we will be measuring him in two days when he turns 28 months to see how much, last month it seemed as though he didn't grow at all. He has put on some weight which is amazing since he hasn't in many months.

I have gained weight as well. I know some of it is water weight as I am pre-menstrual, but I haven't weighed this much since I was pregnant! Actually it is my pre-pregnancy weight of 108. I am hoping to maintain that weight and not drop down to 102 ever again. I didn't feel healthy and I know I didn't look healthy at that weight. But now I know I was just malnourished, no matter how many good foods I ate I wasn't absorbing them. I think it is the same situation as when I was a kid and stopped growing, I so wish they had done more testing on me to see if I had celiac disease and/or gluten intolerance. I think it is the number one cause of kids not growing. I don't know if I'll ever have definitive genetic testing, but it doesn't matter I know I was reacting to it and now I know I need to avoid it-possibly for life.

My appetite has increased dramatically though. I have heard of this happening in the beginning of going grain-free because the body is trying to get all the nutrition it can to make up for the time it was starving. I have been doing the soup now for over two weeks, a few days I skipped. I am making another batch tonight from chicken bone broth that I had simmering all last night. I am hoping this one is very gelatin rich since I included 4 chicken feet! I hope Josiah will actually eat this one, he only had a few bites of the beef stock steak soup. I will also be limiting dairy because I do not digest it very well and if I have raw kefir it causes the pain in my legs to flare up, I still don't have a definitive answer about what it is. I've heard it is mercury toxicity, die-off, or caused because protein types don't do well on fermented foods, I just don't know for sure. One day I hope I can introduce small amounts of kefir, and I want to try raw sour cream.